There are several churches that come into the public eye from time to time that have church girls that are ready to take care of the needs of members. These are typically cults, and usually end up with a sick and twisted result.

I suspect that women that believe in another man (say a super man that lives in outerspace) and love that super outer space alien before they love you, then they will never truly be satisfied with a mere mortal. All that said, when you are dealing with a woman that believes in super outer space alien hero types, it is usually all to easy to sway them with words.

After all they have staked their entire existence, soul and morals on the words of people that died almost 500 years ago (King James book review club). These women all too often become the victims of those with apparently fewer morals than you posses that would take advantage of their belief system weaknesses.

IMHO

After all they have staked their entire existence, soul and morals on the words of people that died almost 500 years ago (King James book review club).

So did some of our history’s greatest politicians, but they still turned out pretty ok.

Most people in history have staked their existence on various belief systems spanning thousands of years, whether its Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, etc., yet it’s hard to deny the massive contributions they’ve made to humanity as a whole. That some would choose to draw extremes where none should be made is a reflection of the human condition, not so much the religion they claim to follow.

So did some of our history’s greatest politicians, but they still turned out pretty ok.

good point, but I was looking at it from the context of sex and love.

Religion and churches have always been very political (hence the King James appointment of an independent counsel to reconfigure the bible to reflect their political goals of the day.

Politicians and Religious movements go together like fire and oil.

But religion, sex and relationships have always been at odds with each other.

note, I didn’t use foul language above but did refer to the act of making love with a word that starts with S and ends with X

Sheesh, I can’t believe the filtering plugin censored sex too. AHHH, did it again. Whoever built this plugin was even more of a prude than I am.

In regards to the King James counsel, it was politically motivated, but oddly enough that motivation led to ensuring the translation didn’t contain superfluous notes like the Geneva Bible did, notes that were notorious for challenging the authority of the king. The text itself however remained virtually unchanged (even from the Geneva translation), which is not surprising since they were all building on the translation works of Tyndale, as well as drawing from the same ancient manuscripts that were used for previous translations.

BTW, I wouldn’t say religion and relationships are at odds with each other, (Songs of Solomon being an obvious example), and especially since marriage itself has fundamentally been drawn from religious origins.

I would disagree, marriage was around long before either christianity, judaism or islam for that matter.

Most modern religions placed themselves in positions of moral authority to over see marriages, essentially stripping people of their given freedom to choose to partner with whomever they would.

Besides my fuller point was the triad of a conflict between religion, s e x and relationships not just a face off between any 2 elements of that triad. Many crimes against humanity were committed during the middle ages, torturing, killing and burning people alive because they did not engage in sexual practices as sanctioned and specifically described by the church.

In comparison to the original topic, I think its kind of funny that today when we see aspects of ‘religious’ people step forward and state that it is OK for people to engage in sexual relationships with each other (inter flock mingling let’s call it) that many of these groups are regarded as cultish, but when we look back on the history of christianity to the times when people were de-entrailed for anything outside of the missionary position we consider it almost normal.

Now, that example may seem like an extreme, but we are still living with it today. I just moved from Georgia to Illinois over the summer. In Georgia a 17 year old boy was put in prison for 10 years (later released after serving 4 years. He was put in jail for receiving oral s ex from a 15 year old girl. Now she also had regular old se x with other kids at the same party, but only the boy that received oral went to prison.

That is the result of christian religious hangups that still permeate through out many areas of our laws.

Now, as you yourself work in law enforcement, I’d ask would you rather be out there pursuing those vicious recipients of oral pleasure or would you rather be pursuing people that kill people?

I wasn’t aware that cavemen had wedding ceremonies, but I could be wrong.

Most modern religions placed themselves in positions of moral authority to over see marriages, essentially stripping people of their given freedom to choose to partner with whomever they would.

Really, I thought it was the parents who did that. Damned parents always ruin everything.

I wasn’t aware that cavemen had wedding ceremonies, but I could be wrong.

Well, if you believe in the literal interpretation of the bible (which I don’t) , cavemen didn’t really exist. Their bones and paintings were created by god and planted in the ground to inspire doubt in man or something.

Seriously, if you look at ancient cultures from Egypt to Sumeria to China they had wedding practices and rights long before Christianity came along.

As to the parents, everyone knows that parents are the real evil doers.

Seriously, if you look at ancient cultures from Egypt to Sumeria to China they had wedding practices and rights long before Christianity came along.

Well I did say it’s derived from religious origins, not just Christian. I think you’d be hard pressed to find any marriage since the dawn of time that didn’t have any religious element to it. It’s probably one of the oldest surviving religious rituals known to man.

Personally, I’d rather just club a hottie over the head and drag her home. It would make my love life so much easier.

I did it the lazy way. I just waited for a hottie to crash and bang her head while roller blading, then took her home and kept her.

I don’t even know what to say to all of this, just wanted you to know I’d stopped by! Careful not to build up miss dream wife 2008ish too much, after all, we ain’t perfect, not even Jessica Alba! (I know, shocking but true.) Marriage lasts (generally) a long time and even those of us closer to heaven’s standards can be painful at times! Don’t give up, just avoid pedistals & you’ll be ok.

Thanks Rachel.

I agree with Rachel. And sometimes you need to throw out the preconceived ideas about what Miss Right will be like. Keep an open mind, and I’m sure you will find her when the time is right.

I just hope she won’t be some gothic chick into rough hoochie coochies. I don’t expect perfection but I don’t want to get spanked either.

It IS crazy how some women dress in church. It also seems (at least here in California) that the closer the churches are to the beaches, the less women wear. It’s horrible. Of course, one of my friends has a dad who has no problem whatsoever with putting them in their place and telling them to wear clothes when they come to church. They usually are so humiliated that they do next time.

I really do hope we both somebody though! The singleness gets a bit tiresome. It is definitely hard to find people to marry who are actually Christians in action, not in name only.

Hi, Lincoln, nice thread this.

Brett is true in that marriage was around long before organised religion.Well…in case you are not aware there are only 4 religions in the world,

Christianity
Judaism
Islam
Zoroastrianism.

All these religions decree that the ” Stuff ” we have in the East here , is heresy and is not recognised by them as religions for 2 reasons.

Lack of doctrine
Lack of a central ( politicised ) authority.

By far the oldest books in the world have been accpeted to be indian, and the whole vedic culture has led to many small belief systems that have roots in Absolutism and individuation .

The vedic culture recognised many different types of marriages.

A man and woman could go to a shrine of god and just stand their on their own and take their vows and that would be a marriage.

A man and woman living together in the understanding that it was a binding marriage was also considered as a marriage.

A vedic ascetic could perform a ritual by fire and that would be a marriage.

a man or woman could marry someone who was not in a physical body and even that would be a marriage.

phew….

a man or woman could marry someone who was not in a physical body and even that would be a marriage.

So, imaginary bonds are alright? Very interesting.