Birth of America - July 4, 1776
Death of America - Nov. 4th 2008

Have faith, we’re not going to go out THAT easy.

I know… and I usually do try to have faith, but I’m embittered now that everywhere I go on the Internet, it’s all I read about, how Obama’s going to bring us to hell in a handbasket.

I will try to cope, but I’m all out of vodka

I will try to cope, but I’m all out of vodka

There’s always whiskey.

I have no idea why so many people think Obama represents the death of Christian America. He’s just a guy with some liberal beliefs. We get them from time to time- thanks to the two-party system that makes it slightly less likely that we’ll get the ‘cruel’ leader warned about, at least by our own means (acts of God being beyond the scope of our warranty).

Ultimately, Egypt is shown as being *better* for God’s exercise in discipline. To doubt His ability to cause a revival based upon the hardheartedness of the people strikes me as remarkably… well, hardhearted. If it happens, it happens, and it’s much more prudent to pray for the nation than it is to act like Egypt’s citizens during their ‘foolish and girly’ period.

Sigh.

In case you haven’t noticed, there’s a financial crisis going on that’s been in the making for a few decades now. On top of that we have Russia threatening Georgia and NATO allies, Iran on the threshold of developing nukes, a war in Iraq that hasn’t completely died down yet, trouble in Afghanistan, and through it all we manage to elect the most liberal 60s throwback radical President in recent history, with a heavily democratic Congress and a Senate that could end up being filibuster proof, more or less.

This is going to make the Carter years look like a happy day at Disney Land. And you’re saying it’s no big deal? Are you just obtuse?

I’m not saying we won’t recover from this, but we recovered from the Civil War as well, though not without a tragic price.

Oh good, time for a nice, informed discourse. I notice you visited my blog before crafting a reply, where I mentioned many of the things you brought up, so let’s assume I have at least a kindergarten-level understanding of these events. Let’s dance.

The voting public had two choices- economy, and national security. The National Security corner came off as badly mismanaged. Is this a slight on McCain? Nope, Newsweek reports that his campaign hid from him the things that made such media sensations. It’s almost like there was a divine hand behind the scenes making things fail. Meanwhile, most Americans care much more about the threat we’re actually facing - the decline of our economy - instead of the POSSIBLE threat that MAYBE someone else in the world ISN’T too poor to launch a crudely made missile at us from very far away. Result? Election.

However, you decided to call me obtuse because in the middle of burgeoning problems, we elected- a liberal. Because Obama’s SO busy trying to find a judge to mess with Roe v Wade that he’s not aware that there are other people in the world, potentially with some sort of weaponry and ill will towards our country. Alright. Cool. I’m obtuse for wanting to pray, wait for an actual verifiable threat, and not immediately fly off the handle. I can deal with that. I’ve been called much worse.

Also, you mention that the financial crisis has been in the making for a few decades now. You’re right. It started with the Bretton Woods agreement (under Nixon - a conservative) to take the civilized countries off the gold standard. This made our money worth less to the oil producing nations, who demanded that oil be priced according to gold. Things steadily got worse under both Ford and Carter, and then came up again under Reagan (a conservative) with the introduction of supply side economics.

Unfortunately, Bush Sr entered office and was unable to keep his “No New Taxes” promise, which along with the war in Kuwait drained the US Economy. The budget was repaired somewhat during the Clinton administration, who left the office with a budget surplus (but oh no, he sexed that girl). Then came our current president, Bush Jr, who plunged us into war, mismanagement, torture, and economic turmoil.

So it seems the crisis has been coming on for decades, with two shining lights (one conservative, one liberal), and a bunch of Republican mismanagement. Seems to me like the score is even.

*Yawn*

I don’t normally waste my time with anyone who plays fast and loose with the truth as you did, but now that I’ve had my coffee, I’ll point out a few things:

It’s almost like there was a divine hand behind the scenes making things fail. Meanwhile, most Americans care much more about the threat we’re actually facing - the decline of our economy

I agree with this actually. The timing of when the financial crisis finally came to a head is too coincidental to have been random, since it effectively ended McCain’s campaign. Had it not presented itself for another 2 short months, I suspect McCain would have won the election.

Instead of the POSSIBLE threat that MAYBE someone else in the world ISN’T too poor to launch a crudely made missile at us from very far away. Result? Election.

This is just stupid. There are real threats and they don’t come in the form of a crude missile, but in terrorist attacks funded by hostile nations including Iran, and if they can’t attack us, they attack our allies instead. These aren’t theoretical threats that occur in some vacuum. They’re quite real, and the respite in attacks since 9/11 has only gone to make us complacent and overly confident that it wouldn’t happen again.

However, you decided to call me obtuse because in the middle of burgeoning problems, we elected- a liberal. Because Obama’s SO busy trying to find a judge to mess with Roe v Wade that he’s not aware that there are other people in the world, potentially with some sort of weaponry and ill will towards our country. Alright. Cool.

Yes, that’s what were all concerned with, Obama leaving babies out to die while the bombs drop on us. Please. It is not Obama’s ignorance but his approach, which rings of Chamberlain. To even suggest talking to Iran without preconditions (assuming he only said this to pander to his extreme liberal base) indicates the fallacy of his platform (which sees us as the bad guys), and if we only started treating the world with sugary love and goodness, rainbows will appear, terrorists will lay down their arms, and we’ll all be singing happy songs around the campfire. There’s a reason why Sarkozy slapped Obama down on this. His foreign policy views are quite bluntly immature and dangerous.

I’m obtuse for wanting to pray, wait for an actual verifiable threat, and not immediately fly off the handle.

So you want to wait until AFTER we have another 9/11 before you’ll be convinced? And you’re baffled as to why I would call you obtuse? How about I just call you a damned fool?

Also, you mention that the financial crisis has been in the making for a few decades now. You’re right. It started with the Bretton Woods agreement (under Nixon - a conservative)

It started with subprime mortgages. Simply put, had there been no subprime mortgages that defaulted en masse, there’d be no financial crisis. There might be other extenuating factors that determine the health and well being of economy, but the mortgage crisis has been the 800 pound gorilla through it all.

And by the way, Nixon was a moderate at best, not a conservative. He imposed wage/price controls, created the Supplemental Security Income, created the EPA and OSHA and implemented the Philadelphia Plan (affirmative action), and even planned to create universal minimum income and universal health care. That’s a conservative?

The budget was repaired somewhat during the Clinton administration, who left the office with a budget surplus (but oh no, he sexed that girl).

Nice to see you make light of how he embarrassed us before the world with his Oval Office shenanigans. But oh, I forget, that’s all the evil GOP’s fault, even though they provided a check and balance to his policies and played a role in creating the surplus as well. Had there been a democratic Congress all along, I’m convinced Clinton would have left with a major deficit instead.

Then came our current president, Bush Jr, who plunged us into war, mismanagement, torture, and economic turmoil.

I see you just had to get your DailyKos digs in, but Bush is not to blame for the economic turmoil that had already been in the making for a while (though he did little to prevent it either.) In a lot of ways he’s actually like Nixon, hawkish in some respects on foreign policy, but a liberal weenie at home. His push for expanding home ownership (as Clinton also did) made him a part of the problem too. Whining about torture and war mismanagement (which is already arguable) is just detracting from the actual issues here. Not that I’m inclined to defend Bush however, as he also was never a true conservative, and neither was his father. In fact the only true conservative we’ve had in recent memory was Reagan. The rest were pretenders.

All this though is largely besides the point, because what we’re seeing now is a perfect storm of unprecedented circumstances leading to a severe time of distress that could likely surpass even the Great Depression. My post here touches on this but is really addressed only to Christians, not unbelievers. If the events described actually happen, then while they signify times of calamity, they also give reason for hope. To nonbelievers though it’s all a moot point anyway, and if that’s the case for you as well, what’s it to you? Leave us to our redneck ignorance then.

I wasn’t going to post again, but Bretton Woods predates the subprime mortgage crisis by a good twenty years, unless you’re digging all the way back to the Roosevelt Era mortgage crisis, which was predated by the Great Depression and the fall of the House of Morgan under Herbert Hoover. Look it up.

Ah, I’m moderated. It’s obvious this isn’t the place for continued discussion- it’s not like anybody’s mind is going to change. I enjoy the mental workout though; if you’d like to continue this somewhere where neither of us can pollute each other’s blog nor moderate each other’s comments, I’d be glad to oblige. If not, well, it’s been fun, thanks for the discussion.

You’re not moderated, the term “mortgage” was on the spam blacklist in WordPress. That’s actually kinda funny.

Bretton Woods didn’t cause the crisis though. That’s like a completely different subject altogether, unless it’s your assertion that the economical climate it created helped LEAD to the subprime mess we have now.

I do agree with you on these points–strongly!
The Lord is speaking clearly to his people in these last days…

but we cannot question the coming of revival–
The Lord has yet many souls to save in our nation and i believe that there will be a great harvest yet to come that we have not seen nor percieved.
I am an intercessor, so is say REVIVAL IN AMERICA or I DIE.

thats what we should all be saying..

@Ginny: That’s what many seem to believe, so I pray you’re right.