I realize my heathen audience just went “Uhhhhhh???” upon reading that title, but every now and then I like to discuss a Christian topic on my blog, so like it or not it’s par for the course. 
One of my beloved readers recommended that I give the “worship artist” Jason Upton a listen, hoping his music would inspire.
Listening to his music did in fact inspire me with hope: hope that he never releases another album. I keed, I keed…. ok not really.
In all seriousness, I think Upton means well, though I was kinda hoping he would be the real deal, another Keith Green in the making, yet when I started giving a few of his songs a listen, something just seemed… off.
And here we go again. As soon as my spirit gets disturbed about something I know I’m about to step into a pile of fecal matter and start knocking over sacred cows, but then again, it’s what I do, and dude, I do it oh so well. 
On the surface, Upton’s music and lyrics would appear to be alright and God-focused, but quite a few of his songs also seemed vague and cryptic, their meanings hidden in obscurity. I also noted the absence of any overt call to repentance and living a life free of sin, two of the most common themes found not only in Keith Green songs but in most of the Psalms as well. It might not be a big deal, but Upton’s musical words presented a rather incomplete gospel to me. Curiosity compelled me to do some digging into his background, and what I learned (so far) pretty much confirmed my suspicions about him.
Upton’s musical career began with his album “Key of David,” which according to Wikipedia was a series of prophetic worship sessions, over half of which were “spontaneously inspired by the Holy Spirit.”
Right away I knew some Christian dweeb in love with Upton must have written this. How did they know such sessions were inspired by the Holy Spirit to begin with? Did they ask Him? Did they test the spirit as the Bible instructs us to do? Did they compare their experiences to what Scripture teaches to see if it lined up? Or was it all mushy gushy feelings and since we’re all happy shappy dappy here it must be of God? And what makes his worship music prophetic anyway? Are we insinuating that Upton is not only a musician, but a modern day prophet as well? Sigh.
Things just get more bizarre as the same Wiki entry suggests Upton was able to stop a tornado with his music, and that one of his tracks contained the voices of actual angels singing.
Sure, and I’m Mickey Mouse. 
I checked out the lyrics to the song that supposedly had this heavenly choir singing in it:
I declare over you, God has given you the air!
So fly, it’s time to open up your wings,
To shake off the things that hold you down (to leave the things…..)
It’s time to spread out your wings and fly!Do you see what I see?
Do you hear what I hear?
Do you know what I know?
Do you want what I want?
Angel: (”…undiscernible… I want you to fly …undiscernible… Fly….” )Do you see what I see?
Do you hear what I hear?
Do you know what I know?
Fly!
And of course, someone from the audience later claims to have seen one or more of these angels, so we can now accept without reservation that a brigade of angels from heaven just decided to go on tour with Jason Upton.
Really people, can you stop taking everything at face value here? There’s no doubt in my mind that fans have now used this as unequivocal proof that Upton is anointed of God. “Never mind what the Bible says. We heard angels sing! That’s proof enough for us!”
One of the failings of the charismatic crowd today is that they rely too heavily on emotions and experiences for evidence that a movement is of God, rather than on what Scripture teaches. So they never test the spirits, they never scrutinize their experiences according to God’s word, and of course the net result is that they fall away to heresy.
Is there anything overtly heretical about Jason Upton though, other than the fact that he seems to be an ignoramus? It’s hard to say. Reading his website, I noted what a pastor wrote about his first album, Key of David:
The Key of David is mentioned in Revelation 3:7 to refer to the absolute authority of Heaven in Jesus’ hands to open the doors that no one can shut and to close the doors that no one can open. But the Key of David is first mentioned in Isaiah 22:22, where it denotes a fatherly authority, a pivotal place of opening up the riches of the House of David-God’s blessing, God’s presence, and God’s glory-to God’s people. I believe the Lord is going to use worship like this to birth whole generations into His Kingdom in fire.
The Youth in our churches and campuses are going to catch fire quickly and intensely, and they are going to take back for God what the enemy has stolen-they are going to take back the churches, the universities and campuses, and the cities that we, the older generations in the Church, have longed and prayed for in spite of the fact that we have not yet seen the widespread, reclaiming revival fires from heaven that we have prayed and wept for.
Again with this fire thing. Fires and revivals, they’re all the new rage these days, and yet I wonder if any of them even know what they’re talking about. When God’s fire is referred to in Scripture, it’s always in the sense that it consumes sin. Fire purifies and burns away all that is displeasing to God, and it is without exception, a PAINFUL experience:
1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ…
Faith is always described as a precious metal that’s been purified by fire (trials), so if a Christian grounded in the Word asks for an anointing of fire, he is in essence asking God to purify his faith (regardless of how painful that process might be). Yet from the quote above it seems readily obvious that such fire is being defined in a different context, that it instead signifies some sort of vague mutinous takeover of churches and cities by today’s Christian youth.
The more I read, the more I wondered, “What the blue flipping dip are these people talking about?” Then I read about Upton’s strong association with yet another “Christian” movement called The Call, which was founded by Lou Engle. You can see a video of Upton performing for Engle here (what’s with this weaving and bobbing crap by the way? What are we, Hassidic Jews?)
As for Engle himself, he’s a bit of a weenie, obsessed in raising up an “army” of young believers who can help turn back the “black moral morass” that has plagued America since the Beatles, mostly by doing lots of praying, fasting and worship (and a wee bit of political grassroots action.) Some of his bizarre antics have been shown in the anti-Christian documentary Jesus Camp, where he gives a sermon espousing on the evils of abortion and the need to have conservative judges on the Supreme Court… to KIDS. Seriously. Because you know, nothing is more important than making sure children understand the need for having constructionist judges on the bench by the time they’re ten years old. Chuckie Cheese? Pffft, that’s for godless atheists. We’re doing God’s work here.
In spite of this flaming stupidity, some of Engle’s rhetoric still seemed to ring true. Here’s a synopsis of what his movement “The Call” is supposedly all about:
TheCall is a divinely initiated, multi-racial, multi-generational, and cross-denominational gathering to corporate prayer and fasting. We believe that our nation is in desperate need of the mercy of God and a great Spiritual Awakening. TheCall is committed to mobilizing people from all across America to gather together to petition God for His undeserved mercy for our nation in 12-hour solemn assemblies. Just as in the days of Joel, we believe that now is the time to blow the trumpet across our land, to fast, to pray, and return to the Lord with all our hearts.
Sounds all well and good right? Until you start delving into Engle’s background and you start to realize, “Holy cow, this guy’s batsh*& insane!”
It seems Engle’s ultimate goal is really to take America back for Christians, and this “call” is basically a hyped up, Promise Keepers style movement based on the notion that if we just pray really really really hard enough, magical things will happen (and the U.S. Supreme Court will instantly be filled by 9 ultraconservative judges who all graduated from Regent University and are diehard fans of Jason Upton.)
Not that there’s anything wrong with getting involved in the political process, but Engle’s problem is that he apparently thinks God specifically told him to start this movement, in spite of the fact that there’s no Scriptural support for doing such a thing.
The Bible clearly tells us what constitutes a true revival:
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. - 2 Chronicles 7:14
Revivals are a call to individual repentance. It’s not the world God is concerned with in this regard, it’s His people. Any revival movement then should always have this as its primary focus: that we as a Christian community have sinned before God and it’s OUR ways we need to change, not the world’s.
Engle’s movement though is not about that. He makes mild overtures about returning to the Lord and all, but what his movement is really about is changing the socio-political climate of an entire nation. His emphasis is on reforming America, not on reviving the church itself, despite the fact that the Bible clearly indicates things are supposed to get worse, not better, as we move ever closer to the end. He and his followers also don’t seem to realize that before God judges the world, He is going to judge His church FIRST:
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? - 1 Peter 4:17
Knowing this, doesn’t it make more sense that we clean up OUR house first before we start trying to save the world? Unless of course, you’re so absolutely mind bogglingly obtuse that you think the church today isn’t facing any serious problems, in which case I’d like to invite you over to my place so I can stomp your face in with my spiked boot.
The fact is, we don’t need a revival in America. We need a revival IN THE CHURCH. The time will soon come when God is going to judge a completely unprepared Christian church before He does anything with the rest of the world. We’re going to be weighed in the balance, and at the state we’re in today, we are going to be found severely wanting.
We are so screwed.
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71 Responses to “Jason Upton, Lou Engle and Company: The Heresies They Teach And Why We Christians Are So Royally Screwed”
Wow, that’s a lot to digest. Still feel like I should be semi-quiet since I’m new to this party. Probably in all fairness I should recuse myself from all discussions concerning Christian music……….I’m a little too close. So cryptically speaking, I understand your longing for a second coming of the Keith Green ilk. I saw him several times before his untimely death. He was always thought provoking and inspiring. He was a black and white thinking kind of guy and certainly tried to practice what he preached.
Since I personally gave up on the Christian music industry in the late nineties, I have no idea about Upton, but if he’s in the Todd Bently “ish” corner, well, don’t get me going.
Backs away quietly so she gets invited back………….
Yeah, I’ve pretty much given up on the CCM industry as well. I still listen to an occasional Steven Curtis Chapman or Michael W. Smith, but that’s pretty much it. It’s also why I usually just listen to secular music. At least there I know what I’m dealing with.
Gee, I had no idea roots run so deep in you!
Kidding, brother, that was well-written!
God bless.
I certainly don’t want to disparage Michael W. or Steven Chapman (as they are both very nice and many people are blessed by their music). Lincoln you do know that there are some amazing artists (who happen to be Christian) with some really GREAT artistically rich music out there. Some is out of print, but still able to be had, and some are just artists a little on the obscure side. Many of the people who fall into this catergory don’t record on CCM labels (some never did).
ER is correct that different things reach different people. THEREFORE people (LIKE ME) who don’t like the pablum that is shipped out from Nashville are not inherently evil. We just get blessed with a different sound.
I was wondering if you mind taking a moment and sharing something with me about your beliefs? This could also apply to any of your visitors here at the blog: if anyone reading this would like to email me your answer, I’d greatly appreciate it.
The question is this: thinking about your religious belief and its importance to you, what is the SINGLE greatest thing that you think your faith gives you know or will give you in the future? When thinking about it, please consider that you are trying to convince another human being that your faith is the one they should choose and you can only make one single argument for accepting it.
I greatly appreciate the help. Again, I’m not looking for a series of good reasons for believing what you do. Please limit your answer to ONE thing or advantage that your faith gives you.
Email me at hoopman4you@yahoo.com is you would like to participate.
Thank you!
You are the only person, on the web at least, to ever say anything negative about Upton. I would like to say this:
1) Yes that was an angel singing with Jason Upton that day, really it was
2) Jason does preach repentance
3) If the same measure was given to you how would you come out?
I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. No really, I do.
Measure this.
Like I said before, I think Upton means well, but his theology is a reflection of his involvement in a movement that is not well founded in Scripture. If you don’t like it, suck it where the sun don’t shine, mmmk?
Okie Doke,
I concede that I am not entirely sure about some of the theology in the Charismatic movement, but man I have seen Jason perfom many times live, have listened to all of his CD’s over and over and let me tell you he is extremely and I mean extremely opinionated about the kinds of things that scare the pants off of some folk about the charismatic movement. I encourage you to listen to his enite message….teachings….music….blogs etc before dropping something negative on the web for all to see when they search leading to MORE confusion. I would say by all means noone is beyond careful scrutiny but cmon man the Bible speaks of angels why can’t an annointed singer have one show up one day….search Jason Upton on Youtube and look for the Michael Tyrrell video where he talks about that day.
Look,
You bring up some valid points about the whole repentance thing, but also understand that Jason travels around the country all year going to churches where almost everyone is already a believer….his direction is more toward the existing church….not everyone is called to the same ministry right?
All this is done in peace though right we are His children so forgive me if I am debatable in an unhealthy way….let’s put the bats away…
Look, you seem like a nice guy, so I’ll try not to insult you too much.
Maybe Upton has a valid ministry that serves its purpose well, I dunno, I can only judge him really by the groups he associates himself, so it makes me wonder how a guy who supposedly gets visitations from angels could be so lacking in discernment when it comes to movements like TheCall, which I am absolutely convinced is a wayward movement that is not of God.
I do believe in angels of course, it’s just the manner of which they manifested themselves during one of his recording that makes that “angel sighting” rather suspect.
Regardless, if his music truly edifies your faith, then more power to you.
not so easy you started a thread with his and Lou’s name…..ok, Jason on one of Hisactaul CD’s in talking about abortion “being judgement in and of itself” not just leading to judgement….in that excerpt he wrote, “I agree with Lou Engle on this” and what I took from that is that he does not agree with Lou on everything. And then on a teaching CD he states that why not get into politics…..”because it is worthless” and i gathered that in part he meant pointless….and I have always felt that maybe some of that while was not an attack was an opinion and feeling that might havew had something to do wtih Lou….and I tend to agree, think of the souls that could have been done if Lou had directed all that energy all this time toward purely saving souls, as far as the angel goes in the cd remember where that song is Jason saif himself that internally he doubted it but after listening to the recording and hearing the voice over he believed it……just find out as much about the whole thing as you can and if you do not mind eating your words you might believe it yourself…..understand one of the reason i believe the visitation so much is that Jason does not go looking for that stuff….at all and he does not want to draw attention to himself infact he shunned the record labels and the cookie cutter approach for a long time and still does…i have never hear anyone on God green earth talk so much about not pleasing man LOL….I mean the guy practically invented the non-man pleasing doctrine!
Phillip Brady r u there?
If it’s true that he does split with Engle regarding his hyper focus on politics, that would be a good sign. Even then I don’t find his music appealing, and the messages conveyed through the lyrics often don’t make a lot of sense to me, but I’m sure fans will say it’s because I’m an obtuse heathen who just doesn’t “get it.”
Who??
Hey Lincoln,
No worries, Phillip Brady is a mongoose from the fine Island of Hawaii. He eats snakes for a living man and he is a weathered swamp tamer….anyhow….I was wondering if you wanted to travel with me to D.C. I was thinking we could meet up with ol’ Lou and get a bite to eat. Just kidding
Well, you know I was thinking about this morning and it kinda falls in line with the points you have been trying to make….ya know what ever happened to that good ol fashioned Gospel…the fear of the Lord…..simple yet powerful preaching….sitting in the pew as a child, the Holy Ghost is in the room, you are feeling alive and your not sure why you just know it is right…calling sinners to repentance……the judgment to come and the love of Christ that is what it is all about heh Lincoln…..you know at my church I get discouraged because they talk so much about liveing a “life of significance” and making an impact on others and with a dying world that seems like the common sense thing to focus on, but our Lord has ways that are higher then our ways right and I agree with Oswald Chambers….he says this……
“Naturally, our ambitions are our own; in the Christian life we have no aim of our own. There is so much said to-day about our decisions for Christ, our determination to be Christians, our decisions for this and that, but in the New Testament it is the aspect of God’s compelling that is brought out. “Ye have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you.” We are not taken up into conscious agreement with God’s purpose, we are taken up into God’s purpose without any consciousness at all. We have no conception of what God is aiming at, and as we go on it gets more and more vague.”
The reason our children our dying I believe is because we have as you say abandoned the Gospel for pleasing man, living lives of significance, politics, just doing things in our own strength, instead of being made perfect in our weakness, I think the way of the Lord is to meek for most ans most therefore jusdge is as such…….missing all the time that it is the power of God unto salvation!
You get a cookie for quoting Oswald Chambers.
I’m glad you can see where I’m coming from though. There’s just so much sewage coming out of the churches today that I can’t help but view anything and anyone associated with these churches with suspicion, and that’s sad, but I guess it reflects the times we live in.
In the end though, the Lord knows them that are His, so in that I can take some degree of comfort.
Thanks for this accurate (and humorous) assessment. The Call, like the “Prophetic Movement” that spawned it, is based on false premises and badly mangled Scripture. Lou Engle, along with Mike Bickle, Paul Cain and their brood are false prophets - deceivers who themselves are delusional. What’s messed up is that they’re gaining momentum and they’re doing it in the name of God - with the compliance (if not outright endorsement) of many non-discerning pastors and churches.
Like much of the music that comes out of IHOP (and Hillsong, for that matter), Upton’s is theologically weak and nothing more than emotionalism on steroids.
Marie,
Thanks for the vote of confidence, I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees the problems with these movements.
Here is a link to a youtube video where Jason sings about repentance…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
here is a link to Michael tyrrell talking about the angel, judge for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JAMKh4pSF4
Sorry, I wasn’t really paying attention, I was busy checking out the legs of the girl that was sitting next to him. She was hot, bro.
Besides, the dude had a hair patch on his chin. People who have hair patches like that just shouldn’t be trusted.
Yes I really am that shallow.
shrug….
I think the hair patch brings more validity to his character as he does not feel the need to be “religious” because he already knows that he is born of the Spirit ya see……
I know you just kiddin though
Marie,
Let’s focus on just Ihop 4 a minute. There theology is actually very grounded. Do you read their teachings? They speak constantly of repentance, holiness, reading the word, infact their whole root is really the sermon on the mount. There guys are very on par with the Word. Granite they lean toward MSOG theology but I am not saying that is wrong it is just not what we are used to. Mike Bickle,
he is leading people to the Father, intimacy with God. That is what it is all about right?
As far as some of the others I have my QUESTIONS and CONCERNS, but understand what you are implying. We are here on the web and others will come and see what we read when they type Jason Upton, Mike Bickle, and others into Google. Are you sure they are false prophets or is it because others on the web say they are, even many others (bye the way this is the only negative thing EVER said about Upton on the web). How can you be so sure, did the Holy Spirit lead you to write that, Lincoln you?
Look I am not trying to judge, but this will only do more harm then anything unless it is approached in a healthy way. We could ASK QUESTIONS and engage in CAREFUL SCRUTINY rather then generalize and condemn….I mean what if you are wrong what if they are the real deal? Bye the way neither Bickle or Upton claim to be prophets……that is their own words…..just because one prophesies does not mean they are laying claim to being a prophet right….that is what Paul teaches in the New Testament!
Kyle,
Sure, let’s focus on IHOP’s aberrant theology. I’ve been studying their writings for over three years, and have written about the problems of extra-biblical revelation in their alleged “prophecies” (which not only contradict Scripture, but have never come to pass). They lean toward Dominionist theology, which is not only unbiblical; it’s dangerous.
I would respectfully disagree that Mike Bickle is leading people toward intimacy with the Father. His excessive, out-of-context, extreme “Bridal Paradigm” is leading people to deception with a false christ.
Have you read Ernie Gruen’s “Do We Keep Smiling and Saying Nothing?” It is available online (it’s about 100 pages) and covers in much depth specific practices and “prophecies” the KCP/IHOP crew has been coming out with since their beginnings.
Other material: (you may have to copy/paste into your browser):
Lou Engle – http://signofjonah.wordpress.c.....ous-angle/
http://pharyngula.org/index/we....._pity/P50/
Dutch Sheets - http://www.deceptioninthechurc.....ecies.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heart.....eople.html
Rick Joyner - http://www.ovrlnd.com/FalseTea.....c_pt2.html
http://www.cephasministry.com/joyner_nwo_2.html
http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue71.htm
Mike Bickle - http://www.iclnet.org/pub/reso.....j0044a.txt
http://www.discernment.org/bookreviews.htm (5th review down)
http://wordpress.com/tag/mike-bickle/feed/
Karen Wheaton - http://www.inplainsite.org/htm.....phecy.html
Wesley and Stacey Campbell - http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c70.html
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/arise.html
Bishop Harry Jackson - http://rwor.org/a/033/dominion.....afraid.htm
Bill Hamon - http://herescope.blogspot.com/.....phets.html
http://herescope.blogspot.com/.....f-god.html
http://www.discernment.org/prophetic/prophet.html
Joel Stockstill - http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/955.html
(discussion by former followers on “Government of 12”)
Outlines/articles dealing with Latter Rain/Joel’s Army/Dominionism/”Kansas City Prophets group” - http://www.letusreason.org/Latradir.htm
http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-cri.html
http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-roots.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/k00.html#kcp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....c_Movement
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kcp.html
http://www.bible-infonet.org/f....._07_13.htm
http://www.tribwatch.com/toronto.htm
(quotes Joyner’s book, “Y2K and the Church”)
http://www.christiandoctrine.n.....ts_web.htm
http://21stcenturyreformation......th-kc.html
(candid testimony from insider - once deeply involved with KCP)
Kyle,
(I posted in response to this earlier today, but for some reason it did not post). I will try this in segments.
First of all, I have been studying the activity and (aberrant) theology of the KCP/IHOP movement for several years now, and have written quite a bit on them. Yes, I have read their teachings - from the bizarre “prophecies” of Paul Cain and Bob Jones to the extreme, taken-out-of-context “Bridal Paradigm” taught by Mike Bickle. I assure you, I am VERY familiar with my subject matter here. These folks are NOT of God, to put it mildly.
Space would not permit me to go in depth enough to thoroughly examine each and every one of the theological problems that plague IHOP, but I’ll outline it for you:
1) Contemplative spirituality - what they promote is transcendental meditation with a thin Christian veneer. This “mind altering” route to communion with the divine is found NOWHERE in Scripture.
2) Positive confession. Wrenching a verse out of context and basing an entire doctrine on it is dangerous, not to mention poor hermeneutics.
3) Extra-Biblical revelation. Even if predictive prophecy were still in force, the biblical test of a true prophet is 100% accuracy - not 66% or lower. Most of these “prophecies” and “visions” are absurd and blasphemous (see attached links).
4) The main theology they “lean” toward is Dominionism. How familiar are you with the Third Wave teaching of Manifest Sons of God and Joel’s Army? It started with them.
5) The whole “Bridal Paradigm” thing is a carnal, unbiblical frame of reference for a false christ.
6) Mystical/esoteric experience as coming from the Holy Spirit has NO Biblical basis; in fact, the Bible warns us against this activity repeatedly.
Have you read Pastor Ernie Gruen’s “Do We Keep Smiling and Saying Nothing?” It’s a first-hand account (233 pages long) of what goes on in and behind the scenes in the prophetic movement of theirs. Here is the link to read it as a .pdf: http://www.intotruth.org/kcp/kcp-gruen.html
@Marie: yes, if you post more than x amount of links it will get flagged for moderation. I’ll merge the comments together for easier reading as soon as I have more time.
EDIT: Ok that should do it, for the future make sure you don’t post more than three links per comment, or the system will flag it as spam.
I have read some of that already, those links are the same sites that bash the charismatic movement as a whole, bye the way those sites just out of curiosity what is their denominational, and theological background….do they belive in the gifts of the Spirit at work in the Church today?….baptism of the Holy Spirit……etc?.
Look I am not loyal to the charismatic movement as a whole, what I am really after is the truth. I am at work, but later I will want to try and debate this with you a bit and see if we cannot learn something from each other…someone has got to nail this one way or another after a while because this movement is more or less the future of the church, granite is it is false then it is not the future of the “real church.”
Cya,
Kyle
Kyle,
Debating with Linc on this topic is like trying to put our a forest fire with a straw broom. You’ll only encourage him, and you might lose a hand in the process.
Stay away.
Not to say I agree with him…and certainly not with Mad Marie up there…just saying…find a non-jaded un-churched sinner to witness to out there…you’ll get to actually do something for God…you won’t change Linc’s mind, and it’s been so long since Mad Marie used hers, apparently, that there’s probably no hope for an intelligent conversation anyway.
Peace.
@Kyle: I don’t know much about IHOP, in fact I thought everyone was talking about the pancake place.
I tend to believe 99 percent of the charismatic/Pentecostal movement is complete heresy, but someone I spoke recently made an interesting point. If the idea of Pentecostalism itself was not of God, why does Satan spend so much time attacking it?
Regardless, it would take too much time and effort to keep on top of all the wayward teachings out there, so I will simply have faith that if a movement really is of God, then He will reveal that to me.
As for my being the only place saying anything negative about Upton, not exactly true:
http://signofjonah.wordpress.c.....ing-recap/
Besides, when is the truth a numbers game? Does there have to be a general consensus that Upton is a weenie bef